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		<title>By: Tao</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tao</dc:creator>
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		<description>&quot;Ishmael&quot; by Daniel Quinn would be tops on my list, for sure.  Quinn presents a different narrative of how things came to be this way that demands consideration.  The ideas are presented via a fun, fictional story that&#039;s easy to read which makes it a good medium for these kinds of ideas.  The book, though, isn&#039;t about religion per se, it&#039;s about culture.  Religion and spirituality come up quite a bit, obviously, and I think you&#039;ll find his interpretation of Adam and Eve, in particular, to be very thought provoking.  

I wasn&#039;t a big fan of Dawkins&#039; &quot;The God Delusion&quot; as, apart from a few anecdotes from Dawkins experience, there was little new in it as the arguments for god that are expressed and refuted have been refuted countless times.  If you&#039;re looking for something that generally summarizes why there&#039;s probably no god, then this might be a good choice.  As an atheist I too was able to &quot;poke holes&quot; in his thesis, not because he was wrong but because having been a Catholic, I understand the religious experience more than most.  The religious experience is entirely subjective, and Dawkins&#039; arguments are objective.  The arguments for the existence of gods that Dawkins chose to refute were the ones that attempted to be objective.  In other words, I kind of felt that Dawkins (along with other atheists in general) focused too much on objective evidence and not enough on the &quot;reasons to believe&quot; that religious people have.  That&#039;s just my opinion.  If, however, you&#039;re unfamiliar with the various arguments for/against the existence of gods (ie, argument from design, teleological, etc), then this book is a really good primer.  

Dawkins science books are much better reads, in my opinion.  &quot;The Selfish Gene&quot; is a very good explanation of evolutionary theory and &quot;how things came to be this way&quot; from a biological and to a lesser degree moral/cultural level.  I greatly prefer reading books about &quot;how things came to be this way&quot; as I&#039;m more interested in learning what we know about that than in academic debates over what we believe about things what we can&#039;t possibly know about.

The &quot;four horsemen&quot; (as they&#039;re called in the blogosphere) of modern atheist literature are Dawkins, Sam Harris (&quot;Letter to a Christian Nation&quot;), Christopher Hitchens (&quot;God is Not Great&quot;) and Daniel Dennett.  Of the last three, I&#039;ve only read articles they&#039;ve written or watched lectures or interviews they&#039;ve done, not read their books. 

&quot;Guns, Germs and Steel&quot; is an excellent book about the spread of culture and civilization and how ideas, languages, cultures and people have spanned the globe.  Its author Jared Diamond is an atheist but he doesn&#039;t write about atheism.  

Between &quot;The Selfish Gene,&quot; &quot;Guns Germs and Steel,&quot; &quot;Ishmael&quot; and some book on modern ideas on cosmology and nucleosynthesis, you have a pretty solid and simple model of how things came to be this way.  Even if you don&#039;t agree with all of it, there certainly aren&#039;t any god-sized gaps that need filled.  

Hope that helps.  Enjoy!  I greatly respect your ability and desire to challenge your assumptions.

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I totally appreciate your new mantra and agree with it myself.  I think we should also assert our ignorance.  However, the reason why people took issue with (or got confused by) your wording is the same reason I take issue with the &quot;turning your back on Jesus&quot; comment.  Cognitive dissonance is a very powerful thing.  

I didn&#039;t &quot;turn my back on Jesus,&quot; I sought knowledge as a form of worshipping God.  If God gave me this brain, surely using his gifts is a form of thanks and praise.  I was very nearly a priest at one point in my life, but at some point I realized I didn&#039;t have any good reason to believe and, in consequence, I didn&#039;t.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m an atheist, an agnostic and an animist.

My work-in progress blog: http://www.noonespecial.ca</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Ishmael&quot; by Daniel Quinn would be tops on my list, for sure.  Quinn presents a different narrative of how things came to be this way that demands consideration.  The ideas are presented via a fun, fictional story that&#8217;s easy to read which makes it a good medium for these kinds of ideas.  The book, though, isn&#8217;t about religion per se, it&#8217;s about culture.  Religion and spirituality come up quite a bit, obviously, and I think you&#8217;ll find his interpretation of Adam and Eve, in particular, to be very thought provoking.  </p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t a big fan of Dawkins&#8217; &quot;The God Delusion&quot; as, apart from a few anecdotes from Dawkins experience, there was little new in it as the arguments for god that are expressed and refuted have been refuted countless times.  If you&#8217;re looking for something that generally summarizes why there&#8217;s probably no god, then this might be a good choice.  As an atheist I too was able to &quot;poke holes&quot; in his thesis, not because he was wrong but because having been a Catholic, I understand the religious experience more than most.  The religious experience is entirely subjective, and Dawkins&#8217; arguments are objective.  The arguments for the existence of gods that Dawkins chose to refute were the ones that attempted to be objective.  In other words, I kind of felt that Dawkins (along with other atheists in general) focused too much on objective evidence and not enough on the &quot;reasons to believe&quot; that religious people have.  That&#8217;s just my opinion.  If, however, you&#8217;re unfamiliar with the various arguments for/against the existence of gods (ie, argument from design, teleological, etc), then this book is a really good primer.  </p>
<p>Dawkins science books are much better reads, in my opinion.  &quot;The Selfish Gene&quot; is a very good explanation of evolutionary theory and &quot;how things came to be this way&quot; from a biological and to a lesser degree moral/cultural level.  I greatly prefer reading books about &quot;how things came to be this way&quot; as I&#8217;m more interested in learning what we know about that than in academic debates over what we believe about things what we can&#8217;t possibly know about.</p>
<p>The &quot;four horsemen&quot; (as they&#8217;re called in the blogosphere) of modern atheist literature are Dawkins, Sam Harris (&quot;Letter to a Christian Nation&quot;), Christopher Hitchens (&quot;God is Not Great&quot;) and Daniel Dennett.  Of the last three, I&#8217;ve only read articles they&#8217;ve written or watched lectures or interviews they&#8217;ve done, not read their books. </p>
<p>&quot;Guns, Germs and Steel&quot; is an excellent book about the spread of culture and civilization and how ideas, languages, cultures and people have spanned the globe.  Its author Jared Diamond is an atheist but he doesn&#8217;t write about atheism.  </p>
<p>Between &quot;The Selfish Gene,&quot; &quot;Guns Germs and Steel,&quot; &quot;Ishmael&quot; and some book on modern ideas on cosmology and nucleosynthesis, you have a pretty solid and simple model of how things came to be this way.  Even if you don&#8217;t agree with all of it, there certainly aren&#8217;t any god-sized gaps that need filled.  </p>
<p>Hope that helps.  Enjoy!  I greatly respect your ability and desire to challenge your assumptions.</p>
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<p>I totally appreciate your new mantra and agree with it myself.  I think we should also assert our ignorance.  However, the reason why people took issue with (or got confused by) your wording is the same reason I take issue with the &quot;turning your back on Jesus&quot; comment.  Cognitive dissonance is a very powerful thing.  </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t &quot;turn my back on Jesus,&quot; I sought knowledge as a form of worshipping God.  If God gave me this brain, surely using his gifts is a form of thanks and praise.  I was very nearly a priest at one point in my life, but at some point I realized I didn&#8217;t have any good reason to believe and, in consequence, I didn&#8217;t.<br /><b>References : </b><br />I&#8217;m an atheist, an agnostic and an animist.</p>
<p>My work-in progress blog: <a href="http://www.noonespecial.ca" rel="nofollow">http://www.noonespecial.ca</a></p>
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		<title>By: Edward J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any book by Paul Davies is an excellent start.http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4323661/the_anthropic_principle_fine_tuning_of_the_universe_michael_strauss_phd/ I am a non- believer in the atheist faith.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any book by Paul Davies is an excellent start.http://www.metacafe.com/watch/4323661/the_anthropic_principle_fine_tuning_of_the_universe_michael_strauss_phd/ I am a non- believer in the atheist faith.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Deist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depends on what you are looking for.  If you&#039;re just looking for debate from an atheist point of view, Dawkins is ok.  But if you&#039;re looking for an actual academic book, Erhman is the one to go for.  Miquoting Jesus, Lost Christianities or Jesus, Interrupted.  Erhman was a Christian, went to college to be a Christian Scholar and soon found out that things don&#039;t click.... so he claims to be agnostic.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depends on what you are looking for.  If you&#8217;re just looking for debate from an atheist point of view, Dawkins is ok.  But if you&#8217;re looking for an actual academic book, Erhman is the one to go for.  Miquoting Jesus, Lost Christianities or Jesus, Interrupted.  Erhman was a Christian, went to college to be a Christian Scholar and soon found out that things don&#8217;t click&#8230;. so he claims to be agnostic.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Frankie u.k.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frankie u.k.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no such person as a non-believing Christian although there are many people who call themselves Christians who are not.

As a Christian, one who truly believes the bible and can say that Jesus is my Saviour and that He has forgiven me all my sins I would like to recommend a very small book to you.  It is called How Good is Good Enough and it is written by Andy Stanley.  It can be bought singly, in packs of 6 or in bulk and is not expensive.  It is easier to obtain in USA than it is in UK.  Someone used to sell them on Ebay.

P.S.  I&#039;m not surprised that the Christians did not understand what you meant. You don&#039;t seem to understand it yourself and, even in your explanation, you say &quot;When I said &quot;non-believers of all faiths&quot; I meant people who were Christian at one time but turned their back on Jesus and became non-believers.&quot;  There is no such person as a Christian of all faiths.  Christianity is one faith, Buddhism is another, Islam is another etc. etc.  If you want sensible, literate answers to questions please make the question clear. What I think you really meant to say was &quot;ex-Christians of all DENOMINATIONS&quot;.  Now, those words I (and my fellow Christians) would have understood.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no such person as a non-believing Christian although there are many people who call themselves Christians who are not.</p>
<p>As a Christian, one who truly believes the bible and can say that Jesus is my Saviour and that He has forgiven me all my sins I would like to recommend a very small book to you.  It is called How Good is Good Enough and it is written by Andy Stanley.  It can be bought singly, in packs of 6 or in bulk and is not expensive.  It is easier to obtain in USA than it is in UK.  Someone used to sell them on Ebay.</p>
<p>P.S.  I&#8217;m not surprised that the Christians did not understand what you meant. You don&#8217;t seem to understand it yourself and, even in your explanation, you say &quot;When I said &quot;non-believers of all faiths&quot; I meant people who were Christian at one time but turned their back on Jesus and became non-believers.&quot;  There is no such person as a Christian of all faiths.  Christianity is one faith, Buddhism is another, Islam is another etc. etc.  If you want sensible, literate answers to questions please make the question clear. What I think you really meant to say was &quot;ex-Christians of all DENOMINATIONS&quot;.  Now, those words I (and my fellow Christians) would have understood.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Tris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 11:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam Harris is good.  
So is Christopher Hitchens, but I seriously recommend Atheism: The Case Against God, by George H. Smith, and The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine. 
Common Sense, J Meslier is considered to be the first antitheist work and is quite remarkable for its time. 
They can all be found online for free on .pdf format with a bit of diligent searching for ebooks.

Good luck and enjoy!&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;Age of reason...http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/3743
Common Sense...http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/17607</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam Harris is good.<br />
So is Christopher Hitchens, but I seriously recommend Atheism: The Case Against God, by George H. Smith, and The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine.<br />
Common Sense, J Meslier is considered to be the first antitheist work and is quite remarkable for its time.<br />
They can all be found online for free on .pdf format with a bit of diligent searching for ebooks.</p>
<p>Good luck and enjoy!<br /><b>References : </b><br />Age of reason&#8230;http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/3743<br />
Common Sense&#8230;http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/17607</p>
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		<title>By: Phaery G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phaery G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 11:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;non-believers of all faiths&quot;--surely that came out wrong?&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;non-believers of all faiths&quot;&#8211;surely that came out wrong?<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Not a Member</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not a Member</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 11:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Book of SubGenius - J.R. &quot;Bob&quot; Dobbs

This is the ultimate cult-breaker folks... the original and most powerful religion destroyer - and it&#039;s a load of laughs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Book of SubGenius &#8211; J.R. &quot;Bob&quot; Dobbs</p>
<p>This is the ultimate cult-breaker folks&#8230; the original and most powerful religion destroyer &#8211; and it&#8217;s a load of laughs.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Icarus62</title>
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		<dc:creator>Icarus62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 10:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You need to read &#039;The Demon Haunted World&#039; by Carl Sagan.  It&#039;s not a tirade against religion but a celebration of reason, which inevitably leads to atheism.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need to read &#8216;The Demon Haunted World&#8217; by Carl Sagan.  It&#8217;s not a tirade against religion but a celebration of reason, which inevitably leads to atheism.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Chi girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chi girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 10:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Non-believers of all faiths&quot;??  &quot;Non-believer&quot; means NO faith.  And no credibility here.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Non-believers of all faiths&quot;??  &quot;Non-believer&quot; means NO faith.  And no credibility here.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: ricardo9505</title>
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		<dc:creator>ricardo9505</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 10:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why obssess yourself with a lack of faith. If the cup&#039;s empty stop hovering over it, IT&#039;S EMPTY! 
I suppose Dawkins and The Watchmaker or Clockmaker. EVolutionary theories i read in School, Jesuit school nonetheless.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why obssess yourself with a lack of faith. If the cup&#8217;s empty stop hovering over it, IT&#8217;S EMPTY!<br />
I suppose Dawkins and The Watchmaker or Clockmaker. EVolutionary theories i read in School, Jesuit school nonetheless.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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